This week I bothered to show up to the party.
At pal Evan "The Cassman" Cass's urging, I showed up for last night's edition of RDF Underground, concerning what all assembled would do with Tommy Yune's job running ROBOTECH and an unlimited budget. Lots of ideas bandied about both realistic and decidedly unrealistic. Listen to it here.
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posted by Captain JLS at
04:26
18 Comments:
If I had Tommy Yune's job.. I would resign and give it back to Tommy Yune.
Don't judge the man by the product (or do, he's done great stuff in comic books). It's sort-of a given that telling the Shadow Chronicles story would be a messy business since they had a relatively small budget, licensing blocks on the Macross characters, and no primary animation studio (DR Movie is intended to be used as backup..)
Personally, I think they should have gone and done something brand new like Robotech 3000, but the vocal element of the fan-base protested the idea.
I trust Tommy Yune with this franchise more than I'd trust someone like J. Michael Straczynski (horribly-overrated individual) or *gasp* Shoji Kawamori. All things considered, Tommy Yune is the most respectable candidate on the market for his position.
The sober sci-fi setting of post-Mospeada which they tried to maintain may simply not be what he's suited for. While I personally would like to move away from Macross, a more emotional, Macross-style storyline would no doubt be executed well by Tommy Yune..
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Anonymous, at 18 July, 2007 08:02
Clollin, J. Micheal Straczynski has a proven track record and a number of shows under his belt and Shoji Kawamori had a hand in the Macross aspect of Robotech so can't easily be discounted.
But overall I agree with you, the contraints that were created before Shadow Chronicles was create was tremendous. And unlike other Robotech projects that have come and gone, and create with the direct involvement of Robotech creator Carl Macek, what Tommy has done was remarkable.
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Anonymous, at 18 July, 2007 17:04
Clollin, I think you're missing the point of the entire exercise we were indulging ourselves in; this wasn't intended as a bash on the way Tommy's managing the franchise. It was merely intended as an excuse for some pie-in-the-sky fanboy daydreaming. Nothing more, nothing less.
As an aside, it's not the far-flung future setting of Robotech 3000 that was lambasted by the fans, it was the stodgy CG visual style along with the clunky Exo-Squad/Battletech mechanical designs. If Harmony Gold had gone ahead with that idea to produce RT3K as an anime production with Tatsunoko, I know I would have certainly given it a chance.
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Captain JLS, at 18 July, 2007 19:29
You mean it's not JUST the far-flung future setting that was lambasted. I thought they were both bad ideas. A thousand years in the future? That means that it's not going to be anything remotely reconizable as Robotech. Consider the difference between 1 AD and 1001 AD.
I sure didn't think that was a good idea either, but the shaky CG and crappy mecha designs definitely did not help. I submit that it was both, and they are just another example of Robotech 3000 completely abandoning everything that made Robotech what is was, visually as well as story-wise.
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Ginrai, at 18 July, 2007 21:26
Id preffer ANYONE .. But Yune for the JOB,,,
He is on it for how long 6-7 years?,, and what do we have?
One awfull shadow chronicles... Yeah he is the best on the market alright....
->completely abandoning everything that made Robotech what is was-
Is exactly what shadow chronicles DID. And where is the big BOOOOOO?
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Anonymous, at 19 July, 2007 03:05
I'm not a big fan of the direction Tommy Yune has made with Shadow Chronicles, but he personally had a hand in producing the ONLY Robotech animated Property in 20 years that has been a market success. Though that success is debatable. You just can't off discount what he has accompliced in his tenure.
Btw, got my Art Of Shadow Chronicles from Amazon, and the non-CGI mecha looked lovely! Just wish they could have translated into 3D better!
M
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Anonymous, at 19 July, 2007 04:32
That podcast would have been a whole lot more enjoyable if SOMEONE wasn't chomping away in the background!!!! :)
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Anonymous, at 19 July, 2007 12:34
-You just can't off discount what he has accompliced in his tenure.-
Im just saying... other more capable men would do a LOT LOT LOT better....
If it is the ONLY animated property in 20 years... it doesnt mean it is Good...nor even close to that...
You see what the arguments are?/..
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Anonymous, at 19 July, 2007 14:38
>>Im just saying... other more capable men would do a LOT LOT LOT better....<<
Kinda debatable as we all have our interpretations of Robotech.
Hell, in some wacko alternate reality we're probably bitching about so-and-so's interpretation too.
>>If it is the ONLY animated property in 20 years... it doesnt mean it is Good...nor even close to that...<<
It's the third, actually. Sentinels never finished properly, as even the 'movie' has the original episodes for that out of whack, and Robotech 3000....
Well, don't have much to say about 3000.
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Anonymous, at 19 July, 2007 16:16
let me get this straight... Darkwater was receiving legal threats from HG for creating a website about Shadow Chronicles? I'm worried if a casual fan decides to spread the news about Shadow Chronicles he/she may be subject to legal action? How is HG going to spread the news to non-robotech fans, then?
-Fern
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Anonymous, at 19 July, 2007 16:53
Yes he was.. From the same MR YUNE everyone likes to glorify here...
-Kinda debatable as we all have our interpretations of Robotech.-
Well being capable of making a good movie( or series..) does not really have anything to do with being robotech or not...
And Yunes work being robotech.. is most debatable.....
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Anonymous, at 19 July, 2007 18:20
>>Well being capable of making a good movie( or series..) does not really have anything to do with being robotech or not...<<
Yes it does because that's the heart of the problem. Some of those who are not happy with what we have now are saying that TSC has nothing that what made Robotech special - ergo they don't like Yune's interpretation of our favorite show. Mostly as it's not what they feel it should be or doesn't address what they feel should be addressed.
As for it being a good movie and being Robotech - you can have all your mecha correct in shape and dimension, timelines intwined and every nook and cranny filled with proper technicalities but it won't do you any good if the end product isn't that good.
And keep in mind you still have to work with what budget HG and/or Frank Agrama gives you.
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Anonymous, at 19 July, 2007 20:54
Apsolutely WRONG.... Not even close to that
What makes TSC a bad movie has nothing to do with robotech....( weak plot, pure character development, horrible cgi.. uninspiring score...)... and Yune directed the thing didnt he?
On the other hand havin robotech in the TITLE... is what increases its value ,from -Completely trash.... to -well it wasnt that BAD-(most frequeantly used desctiption)
And here is something to think about... If all the sales ROCK so much( and TSC is a succes)... why is the budget still low??
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Anonymous, at 19 July, 2007 23:36
>>Apsolutely WRONG.... Not even close to that
What makes TSC a bad movie has nothing to do with robotech....( weak plot, pure character development, horrible cgi.. uninspiring score...)... and Yune directed the thing didnt he?<<
I was responding to the contradictory idea that, quoting "being capable of making a good movie( or series..) does not really have anything to do with being robotech or not...".
The quote struck me as saying that all Robotech has to be is simply kosher with mecha, designs, and continuity for everything to be honky dory for everyone.
>>On the other hand havin robotech in the TITLE... is what increases its value ,from -Completely trash.... to -well it wasnt that BAD-(most frequeantly used desctiption)<<
I do not deny that there are those who dislike and hate it, but I've also seen people on non Robotech boards who have liked it. Hell, it was bizarre on 4chan, a site in which 90% of the posters *HATE* Robotech but gave TSC props.
>>And here is something to think about... If all the sales ROCK so much( and TSC is a succes)... why is the budget still low??<<
What needs to be said - that if Shadow Chronicles has been tanking like others have said why the hell is Frank Agrama even allowing another one at all? Not only that, but why hasn't Funimation pulled the plug on it?
Funimation sure as hell does not need Harmony Gold to survive. Hell, they practically own 25% of the *entire* anime marketshare in the States. They don't need HG and they *have* cut series that have not made them money, as Kodocha fans have unfortunately found out(102 episode series. Only half have been done, however sales are not strong so it's been cut. Quote from AX is that if the box sets do not sell, then if Kodocha ever sees the light of day in America it will not be from Funimation).
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Anonymous, at 20 July, 2007 00:59
-Frank Agrama even allowing another one at all? -
That is yet to be seen... As far as we know a large percent of HG anouncements have been inacurate(or pure LIES)... in the past years... There are lot of sunrises and sunsets to go by till 2011
So id stick to WAIT,,and see..
Personaly i find the Kodocha scenario aplied on TSC.. very likely
-on non Robotech boards who have liked it-
Where?
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Anonymous, at 20 July, 2007 02:47
>>-Frank Agrama even allowing another one at all? -
That is yet to be seen... As far as we know a large percent of HG anouncements have been inacurate(or pure LIES)... in the past years... There are lot of sunrises and sunsets to go by till 2011<<
If Frank Agrama was going to pull the plug then there's no reason why Tommy, Steve, and Kevin to still be working at HG now, not to mention there still being a rt.com. There is no reason for him to allow a failed franchise to keep wasting his pockets. The fact that they are still there now - months after the release, says a lot about what he thinks.
Time is money and if TSC has failed then he would have already cut his losses as well as them - and Robotech will probably never see an official product again.
As for Funimation. At this point I doubt it. They have been at their panels and booth mentioning that Robotech has done very well for them. To the point that they were advertising the 2 disc edition at their booth before HG announced it.
The brand manager for TSC at Funi was really hyper about it, even at the booth without anyone from HG there. From hearing him I almost -almost- have no doubt that what Tommy claims that it was his bright idea that wanted to do the special disc edition with the deleted scenes to be true.
I think it was an open secret that from the beginning HG wanted a special edition, but probably without those scenes, as they were embarassing and can be seen why they were left on the cutting room floor or reedited.
>>There are lot of sunrises and sunsets to go by till 2011<<
I don't think it'll be that long. You can say that TSC production started with the actors recording their lines in Oct 2004. I remember Captain JLS mentioning that TSC was completed in Jan 2006. So the big wait was a problem of finding a distributer - but now that they have it it shouldn't be that long again.
>>-on non Robotech boards who have liked it-
Where?<<
4chan was one of them, which was surprising in what I mentioned above.
Posters from neogaf gave it some points from what I remember.
Spacebattles has some Robotech fans who both enjoyed and didn't. But TSC stuff has already making way into some rt related fanfiction on that board.
Toonzone had a thread on it, and IIRC one poster was a third of the way through TSC when he posted about wanting to see Cartoon Network air it as he was enjoying it.
IIRC animeondvd was kind to it too.
Usenet's rec.arts.anime.misc. was ok with it IIRC.
I'm still in shock that the japanese are fansubbing it too...
Pretty much Robotech fans who don't visit rt.com. My friends the same way. Doesn't use the internet but was a big robotech fan back in the day, we both read the novels, watched Sentinels, anything robotech. When I last talked to him he mentioned that he found it and bought it. When asked what he thought - and keep in mind this is without talking to anyone on the net - he enjoyed it a lot.
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Anonymous, at 20 July, 2007 03:39
>>From hearing him I almost -almost- have no doubt that what Tommy claims that it was his bright idea that wanted to do the special disc edition with the deleted scenes to be true.<<
Just caught this. I meant that the idea for the edition being the brand managers, as that's whose idea Tommy claimed it was.
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Anonymous, at 20 July, 2007 03:42
--no reason why Tommy, Steve, and Kevin to still be working at HG now,---
Tom Bateman , and Alan Letz are not working on it anymore arnt they??( both very important for TSC)...
So id wait more.. who knows who else might get fired...
-and Robotech will probably never see an official product again.--
Unfortunately quite possible.. :(
As for funimation... 99 percent of sequell info comes from HG( not funy)..so...wait and see...
It is amazing how predictable HG actions are....
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Anonymous, at 20 July, 2007 15:53
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